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Boring bars for lathe or mill?

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Hi All,

The tooling that came with my mill included an assortment of brazed carbide boring bars like these. They were packed in and around the Wohlhaupter UPA3 and Swiss boring heads, though some of them, like the two on the left, are too large in diameter (19/20mm) to fit.

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I've used the leftmost two tools on the lathe to make internal grooves in steel, they work very well. My question is, are the various bars shown in the photo intended to be used for boring on a lathe or in a boring head on a mill, or does it not matter, because such bars are interchangable?

Cheers,
Bruce
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Dialog 2 differences from Manual

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I have the feeling that there aren't many users out there still using Dialog 2, but here goes. My fp2NC is running Dialog 2. I have to admit that I have been using mode 7 almost exclusively for machining for the last few years. I have a project that requires circular interpolation so I have been working through the examples in the operator's manual using mode 8. What I have found is that they don't work as written, and there are some details missing in the manual about how mode 8 works so I don't have a simple program working yet.

First, a simple 2-line program:

Machine is in inch mode, which needs to be set each time the machine is turned on.

N0001 G00 X+12500 Y+00000 Z+20000 S+600
N0002 Z+00030

In mode 8, the display shows line N0002. I found by trial and error that I need to set the line number that mode 8 will start on, it doesn't default to the first line, which is not what the manual says. So I do N0001 transfer then cycle start. It executes line N0001. If I press cycle start to execute the next line nothing happens, which again is not what the manual says. I have to input N0002, transfer, cycle start.

However, line N0002 gives error 73 (main block missing). I tried this several times, starting from scratch, always the same result. Then I modified line 2 to

N0002 Z+00030 F+100 S+600

Now the program works in mode 8. I'm guessing that the Feed and Speed are not really required on line N0002, the problem is that I have told mode 8 to start on line N0002 and it is not a main block. How in mode 8 can I get it to advance to the next line, retaining the main block info from the previous line(s)?

Is it possible that there is a memory problem, or a battery problem, so it is not retaining the main block information? i.e. when I start the program in mode 8 on line 1, I think the real problem is that I cannot continue to press cycle start to execute succeeding lines, it does not advance automatically. There are no errors showing on the display other than the error 73.

I also wonder if the version of Dialog 2 I have is the latest. How do I check?

Here is my latest program, and in this case, line N0012 is causing error 73 while single stepping in mode 8. I haven't yet tried adding feed and speed to that line.
N0001 G00 X+12500 Y+00000 Z+20000 S+600
N0002 Z+00030 F+100 S+600 <= I got error 73 on this line until I added feed and speed
N0010 G90 Z-02500 F+100 S+600
N0012 G03 F+100 I-12500 J+0 <= I am still getting error 73 on this line… I probably have to add speed , but that is not like the examples in the book.
N0014 G00 Z+20000
N0015 M30

Anyone have any experience of Jung surface grinders?

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I'm thinking about replacing my tired, but faithful old Jones and Shipman 540.

I was thinking of a Jung HF50. Does anyone have any pointers as to weaknesses with these machines, wear issues etc?

Any advice (or alternatives in this size of machine) appreciated.

David

Delta / triangle beside axsis in CNC modes ?

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yesterday I was squaring up the ends of some long tube in CNC mode 9 running horizontal because of the length. I had no stop set so I had to touch off the end of each new part. I started up again this morning and forgot to rezero for the depth of cut on the new part in Y. I hit the green cycle button and knew I was off on the cut depth so I reach over to hit he red cycle stop button but hit the red feed stop button instead. In both mode 8 and 9 CNC mode hitting that button brings up the Delta / triangle symbol beside the X,Y and Z.
So far I have not found it in the manual.
What is that for?
Andy

Rigid tapping with a Deckel FP1

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I've been doing some rigid tapping lately and the lack of a reversing switch on the Deckel is a little annoying. I've been feeding in with the quill, stopping the spindle and turning the tap out with a handle.

The manual says not to run the table feeds with the spindle reversed. Does that mean that other than that, reversing the spindle is fine? Anyone added a reverse switch to their FP1? Sure would be convenient.

I'd actually like to be using my Tapmatic but with this silly universal table stealing 3.5" of my Z travel that isn't going to happen.

Teryk

Saving programs on contour 2.

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Hello again,
I'm getting pretty comfortable with the programming end of the contour 2 and I just wrote a program for a feature we see on several different parts. I would like to save this program but the programming and operators manual don't seem to cover this. I would think you use mode 12 or 13 but nothing seems to happen under those modes. Am I under the right mode and just need to key in something?
Thank you -Adam

Problems Using G79 contour pocketing

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Today I tried a more advanced part to learn how to use the g79 function for pockets with islands. I already have the part squared and im just doing the islands and pretending that there is a pocket that extends over the outside of the part in order to clear off the metal.

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After getting all the code plugged in the machine made one passs around the outer most contour and then flag an error 84 at block 37, which had the m79. According to dialog 5 this means

Error 84 programming errors:
. 1 Auszuraeumende contour is not GE
closed.
. 2 Too many points for roughing
the contour needs repairs.
In my supplemental programming manual it also says that the step over may be to small but I raised the value to .25 inches and had no change.

here is my code, hopefully those with more experience can find my mistake.

G00 Z+2
G00 X-.4 Y-5.2 Dz 01
G00 Z.1
G79 Y+.05 X-.4 F125 Z +.1
G00Z+.1 S+1000 M70
Z-.150 F 125 M70
G42 Dg+51 G45 A 0 X-.4 Y -5.4 G00 G60 M61
Y+.4
X+6.4
Y-5.4
X-.4
G40 G45 A0
G41 Dg+51 G47 A.2 x1.725 Y-2.636 G00 G60 M61
X1.346
G02 X1.346 Y-2.164 I 0 J +.236
G01 X 2.104
G02 X 2.104 Y -2.636 I 0 J -.236
GO1 X 1.725
G40 G47 A.2
G00 Z+.1
Z-.150 M70
G41 Dg+51 G47 A.2 X4.275 Y-2.636 G00 G60 M61
X3.896
G02 X3.896 Y-2.164 I 0 J +.236
G01 X 4.654
G02 X 4.654 Y -2.636 I 0 J -.236
GO1 X 4.275
G40 G47 A.2
G00 Z+.1
Z-.150 M70
G41 Dg+51 G47 A.2 X2.764 Y-3.75 G00 G60 M61
Y-1.05
G02 X 3.236 Y -1.05 I +.236 J 0
Y-3.75
G02 X2.764 Y-3.75 I-.236 J 0
G40 G47 A.2
M79
G00 Z+2 M30


Thank you -Adam
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evaluating Deckel FP1 for purchase

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Hello all, I need to know some of the important things as to wear etc. to look for on an FP1. I am familiar with machine tool repair in general,but have no experience with Deckels. I searched the forum but didn't find (or just missed it...)specifics. Thanks, Jim

FP2NC Questions

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I have a few random questions about my fp2NC:

How does length compensation input work? If I type D as part of a block it is ignored.

Where is the spindle gearbox oil filler?

When the machine is in inch mode, are feeds still mm/min?

What is a good solution for a coolant return hose that doesn't kink? I don't have a lot of room in my shop, so the coolant reservoir is tucked back into the base of the mill, but the hose kinks flat since there is a 180 degree bend. The manual says "attach coolant reservoir to machine as described in information leaflet JF 728". Anyone have a copy of that?

I need to order a new Z axis wiper from FPS. Is there anything else that I should probably order at the same time, that ought to get replaced on a regular basis to protect the ways or keep the machine operating properly?

One of the sliding doors from the enclosure keeps coming apart at the top. I've repaired it twice by using plexiglass solvent (glue), but the surface is rough and the blocks don't hold long. Any suggestions?

-Dave

Chip filter for FP2NC Enclosure Coolant Return

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Did the FP2NC enclosure originally come with some kind of chip filter/basket in the sump? There is some kind of attachment point at the center of the sump, not sure what it is for. I have started using coolant so I put a small screen into the coolant drain pipe, but it slows down the flow too much.

Deckel FP3 serial

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Hi, just got myself a Deckel FP3 from an auction this weekend.
Serial 0552 on the left hand side door
2028-0188 on the y axis ram
and 2231-0111 on the universal table

if anyone can help me determine the year of this machine it would be much appreciated.

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New Deckel Convert!

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Hi Folks,

Just thought I'd pop in and say what a great resource this forum is. It has been super helpful to me in learning my way around the FP1. Thanks to all that have put time and hard earned knowledge into it. I hope to be able to contribute along the line.

So far I've cleaned up the machine and put it through a few paces. I've run BPs and their ilk, so it has been an adjustment working from the right side, but I can see why people fall in love with these machines. They are just ingenious in their design.

I've found the work envelope limiting vertically due to the swiveling/tilting table I have on the machine. I'd sure love to get my hands on the standard fixed table if anyone can point me in the right direction. For much of the work I do, that would give me a better working range.

Thanks all.

Ray
Michigan, USA

G41/G42 on Dialog 4 questions

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I'm writing a code generator for Dialog 4. I'm studying the programming manual about cutter compensation and not finding what I need. The manual's way shows programming the edge of the part and adding the entry and exit and uses the full cutter radius for compensation, and has the gymnastics of the M70s added to the preliminary lines to ignore them, the auto lead ins, etc. I want to code the centerline of the tool, letting CAM do the offset of the toolpath and create leadin/leadout as is normal practice in CAM, and just adjust the tool for wear and part size.

Here's the question - What is the minimum I need to do to initiate G41/G42 in Dialog 4? Do I need a lead in of a specified length or angle? should it be 90° to the toolpath? What else should I know about this? Does it work like other controls?

Once I do this, can I leave the R value in the tool table blank and just use RA for small adjustments, or should I use R?

Any help is greatly appreciated!

What's this tool?

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In the collection of bits that came with my 1964 Deckel FP2 was this too. It was crammed in with single-point cutters for a Wohlhaupter and random lathe tools. What is it? Is it a boring bar or for cutting internal threads on a lathe? The body diameter (22mm) is too big for my UPA3.

There are also a handful of new inserts, which have a small carbide cutter brazed onto a steel support. There are a series of tick-marks to indicate rotation (which sets the depth of the cutter) but the cutter itself has a fixed orientation.

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Cheers,
Bruce
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What's this tool?

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In the collection of bits that came with my 1964 Deckel FP2 was this too. It was crammed in with single-point cutters for a Wohlhaupter and random lathe tools. What is it? Is it a boring bar or for cutting internal threads on a lathe? The body diameter (22mm) is too big for my UPA3.

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Cheers,
Bruce
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deckel fp1 end mill holders

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Does anyone have a US source for FP1 end mill holders? Stan Krum's holders looked great, but he is no longer working. Also, a machinist willing to modify a Jacobs chuck to fit an FP1? Thank you for your help. Dean

Proper Deckel FP1 Feet?

Aciera F5 electrical diagram

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I have a Aciera F5 right now and the high speed is not kicking in
The easiest to search is with a electrical diagram BUT>>>>>>>
Thats what I am missing
Anybody knows where to download one or perhaps has one and is willing to make a copy
It is for the older style with the feedvariator in front and the controls beneeth the shiptray

Peter from Holland

Deckel Jigbore/grinder feed gears

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I purchased a nice Deckel Jig Borer with the Grinding head included.
I'm cleaning it up and noticed the "X" feed gear and a few teeth missing. Thinking I could use the "Y" gear I found it too has a few teeth missing. At first I thought I could fix the teeth but see that the gears are Garolite or something similar.
I guess they are made to strip before any damage is done. Anyone know where I can get 2? Both seem to be identical.

Frank

Dialog3 Mode 16 Commands

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Hello all;

Does anyone have a list of the available Mode16 functions?

Thanks;

Erik
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