DeckelDapter DIY

March 19, 2013, 5:43 pm

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I've finally gotten around to posting a description of how I've made the twenty or so DeckelDapters I've sold to some of you guys.
It's at: http://www.gizmowizard.com/deckeldap...ter_How-To.pdf

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Hermle late model mills on Ebay

March 21, 2013, 11:41 pm

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We have 2 late generation Hermle millers that have 1 or more defective boards. Seller was $30,000 for the pair as is, and says he originally planned to sell it for $30K a piece after repairing but it certainly won't cost $30K a piece to repair:popcorn:

These 2 mills in Canada have been on Ebay from last year. When I first saw it, I googled to see what similar generation Hermles go for, and ran across the Canadian Gov. auction site that sold these very same machines , and the price was shown.
Hermle Milling Machine | eBay

Deckel FP1 Vertical head bearings

March 23, 2013, 3:33 pm

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Greetings from Scotland
New to the forum. I am looking to buy a mill for my home workshop. Considering a Deckel, Thiel, or Alexander pre 1960. Dose any one know what sort of bearing are used in the vertical heads on these older machines? i.e. ball bearing race or tapered race or other?
Second question what tapers are used for tooling? I have read mention of MT4, Int40, or Deckle. I have seen new Deckel collets on ebay but dont know if they are suitable for the older machines.
Regards
AVRO

Finally Finished The FP-1. Thank You All!

March 24, 2013, 3:29 pm

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Well, I finally finished the FP-1 and have it under power. I thought I would share a couple of pictures and offer my sincerest thanks to everyone who offered advice and counsel along the way...especially Ross for sharing his years of experience and wisdom with these fine machines. Above all, thanks to Don for making this site available. I can't imagine the work required to keep this site going. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of knowledge and experience that is represented here.

I found this machine 2 years ago and it was a mess! There was at least 1 1/2 inches of gunk and shavings in the coolant reservoir that took about 2 weeks to clean out! After all the hours of scrubbing, scraping, filling, sanding, and painting, I finally have her done!

Thanks again,
Gaylan.

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Feed electrical problem on FP1

March 25, 2013, 1:10 pm

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Feed is crapping out on my pre-active FP1, with separate feed motor. Thought I'd ask for advice before poking around in the electrical cabinet.

Normally when feed is turned on, but not yet engaged mechanically, there is a slight buzzing sound from the cabinet. Today I heard a slight clicking sound from the cabinet, followed by an interruption of the buzzing sound - and then the feed is dead. Comes and goes within space of several seconds.

I'd be grateful for any suggestions about where to start looking.

Thanks, Joe

Deckel FP4A knee

March 26, 2013, 7:36 pm

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after a couple years of Deckel neglect

swapped the FP4A Kollmorgen servo spindle motor for 3 hp italian
cnc 3 phase induction molder motor ---will be able to use vfd
rather than more complex servo drive--besides Kollmorgen servo
/Hurco control did not allow rigid tapping so no real benefit from
servo spindle drive

pulled knee today--incredible amount of greasy swarf in spite of
intact seals scrapers etc

the FP4A is the economy version of the FP4 series--so not much turcite

the primary reason for knee removal is to drill/tap knee for mounting
Hoffmann 660 rotary tilt table ---this will be used as tool room machine--not production
I will put encoders on tilt and rotate but likely keep manual rather than servo
motor retrofit--this could change

definitely going with Centroid retrofit but uncertain if I will keep brushless 3 phase
servos with encoder retrofits or brush dc servos--I have plenty of drives to choose from

the Mitsui Seiki J4B jig bore in pics will be used to machine knee and Hoffmann

and as pics indicate---will need to rescrape bearing surfaces

more later

https://plus.google.com/photos/10278...34663336326385




jh

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Philips 432 battery location

March 27, 2013, 8:11 am

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We have a MAHO MH600W and have the machine constants sheet.

The machine was idle for few months and we have entered the constants by hand .

After 10 or 15 min all the constants are lost and we suspect the battery may be the culprit.

Where is the battery located as we could see some thing like battery ON/OFF jumper in the power pack which is below the NC rack.

Could any body please help as how to replace the battery and where it is? We have tried to remove the power pack but lot of connections are there.

Thanks,

CHANDRU

MH Maho 600P

March 28, 2013, 1:31 pm

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I have a chance to buy a Maho 600P with some electrical issues. What are the Maho experts thoughts good, bad or avoids like the plague. It has heidinhein controls.

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collet ID help ?

March 29, 2013, 5:08 am

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I posted this in the General forum but didn’t get any help. I thought someone here might be able to help with the ID of the collet. The one I have is a single taper and appears to be the largest size at 16mm. No markings on anything.



Andy

Green Button on the MPG / E handwheel ?

March 29, 2013, 5:23 am

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I've had this MPG hooked up to my FP3NC D3 for about a week now but still can't find out what the Green button on top is for. There is nothing in the manual about the MPG. I just plug it in and have been using it on mode 4. At first I thought the button might be the start button but thats not it. I have seen other MPG that don't have this button. Any one know what it's for?

here is how the MPG seems to work

Plug it in
Go to mode #4
Press x,y or z and the hand wheel works in fine steps
Press the course button and that works
If you go back to the control it over rides the MPG
Anything else I should know about it?

Andy

deckel clone - wear on the z-axis

March 29, 2013, 12:18 pm

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i have this well used mill, that seems to be a deckel clone (i never found out who made it), so i thought id post here. when i suspend the table on the strap and raise it with the handwheel, the rear indicator moves by 0.2 mm before the other one starts moving. so the table sags quite a bit.



i hoped to be able to adjust this with the gibbs, but there is only one gib on the side of the one of the ways:





so, is there any way of adjusting the sag? probably not. why is there only one gib? is the other side running loose? interestingly the scraping/flaking on the front of the ways looks pretty unsused. so it is strange there should be so much wear on the mating surfaces. how would i fix the sag, if i was to disassemble the mill? put some turcite on the "back plates" bolted from the back?

and yes, what are the two big, black bolt/nuts?

chicks running FP4's

March 31, 2013, 9:56 am

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Experts pl guide

April 1, 2013, 11:18 am

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We have a MAHO600W with Philips CNC 432 and with great difficulty we could able to enter all the original machine constants.

When we switch on the machine we followed the below procedure and encountered the subsequent problems.

1.MAINS ON.

2. EMG SWITCH UNLOCKED.

3.PRESSED HYD ON BUTTON ALONG WITH CLEAR SOFT KEY.

4.FOUND ERR I05.

5.THE SCREEN IS SHOWING JOG MODE.

6.AT THE TIME OF PRESSING THE HYD+CLEAR BUTTON THE COMMAND IS SHOWING OPEN LOOP FOR ALL THE AXES.

CROSS CHECKED THE RELEVANT PARAMETER AND IT IS CLOSED LOOP ONLY.

DO WE HAVE TO MAKE THE MEMORY LOCK SWITCH WHICH IS IN THE ELECTRICAL CABINET TO ON POSITION (WHEN THE MACHINE IS POWERED ON) AFTER ENTERING THE MACHINE CONSTANTS or DO WE HAVE TO POWER OFF THE MACHINE AND MAKE THE SWITCH TO ON POSITION.

ANY THING ELSE IS MISSING.

MY SINCERE THANKS TO MILACRON FOR THE BATTERY LOCATION QUESTION AND AT LAST FOUND IN THE POWER SUPPLY WHICH IS BELOW THE NC CARDS.

THANKS,

CHANDRU

Current Price for Abene VHF 350

April 2, 2013, 7:52 am

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I just received the price of a new machine from Abene. The base machine is 44,900 Euros, which is $57,629. Any takers at this price?
If anyone is interested in getting a copy of the full list, please PM me your email and i'll forward it. The pdf docs Abene sent me are too big to upload; doesn't seem right since one is only one page...

Aciera F3 horizontal arbour size?

April 2, 2013, 10:09 pm

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Can anyone tell me what is the normal horizontal arbour/arbor size? My current mill in 1" but I don't want to order any new cutters if they don't fit the new mill (which is currently en route to me).

Pete

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Maho sk 250

April 3, 2013, 11:59 am

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Can anybody help me with information on the MAHO SK250 please ?
I have tried Tony at Lathes.co.uk but to no avail so any information would be most welcome

Mike Young

Berco Connecting Rod Machine

April 4, 2013, 9:19 am

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Well it is not a mill, but it is built in Italy. I posted awhile back some photos of running my FP4NC to cut grip grooves into a set of connecting rods that
were then going to be babbited.
Well i thought some of you might be interested in seeing the machine that i use to finish the connecting rods....It is a pretty simple design.
Has a belt driven spindle with 4 speeds...two belt steps and a high/lo motor...
Spindle has a 40 taper but uses a non standard draw bar...the holders having a 12x1.75 male thread at the end of the taper.



I have several Berco machines. A line boring machine for doing main housing and cam bores, the rod machine and a surfacing/cylinder boring machine

Here is a rear quarter view of the machine.
The spindle usually mounts a straight bar that is cross drilled at the end for accepting a tool bit. There are a number of different sized bars to allow boring different sized
holes..either at the big end or the wrist pin end of the rod.
The vertical casting has a screw that moves a mounting plate up and down on the face of the casting. The plate is fitted with bores and clamps to secure flanged expanding mandrels.
The vertical casting is mounted on dovetail ways at right angle to the spindle...much the same as a lathe cross slide.
The base below the cross ways has another set of ways that allow the vertical casting to move parallel with the spindle...like the carriage of a lathe.
The handwheel moves the slide and is provided with power feed having two rates...coarse and fine.







More to follow....
Cheers Ross

Dialog 3 serial interface rs232 input/output help

April 5, 2013, 6:03 am

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Hi
I have been running and programming the fp3nc D3 for several weeks know. I now really need to be able to upload and down load program's. I found an old Dell laptop at work I can use for this. It is a Windows XP and com1 is a serial port and it has Hyper Terminal on it. So far I haven't been able to get it to work. I have a copy of the Deckel manual for this and have read every thing I could find on PM about it. Here is what I have done so far.
Serial cable three conductors pins 2, 3 and 7 used switch 2 and 3 on the different ends (did this based on an old post from Deckel Dr.) In the manual it shows both this set up and six conductors using pins 2,3,4,5,7 and 8.
Plug this in to the control and PC
Set up the com1 port on the PC
Baud 4800
Data bits 7
Parity even
Stop bits 1
Flow control hardware
set control to mode 14 ( in the manual it reads that there should be a menu with selective interface and Baud rate) I don't see this menu.
Hit the transfer key. The control seems to be sending but I see nothing on the Hyper terminal screen.
I have Dialog 3 but how do I know what software release? In the manual it lists software 06.
One thing a I have noticed, if I go out of Hyper Terminal and come back in my parameters have changed back to the default settings.
Any help with this would be great
Andy

Finished First Project On The FP-1

April 6, 2013, 5:57 am

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Finally finished the first project on the FP-1.

I've been wanting an attachment for my Alexander Cutter Grinder to sharpen lathe tools so the horizontal milling capabilities of the FP-1 worked perfectly. I'm starting to appreciate everyone's love of these machines. Very cool machine. I used it to cut the 60 degree dovetails as well as the 1/2 inch slot for holding the lathe tool.

The next project, which is almost complete, is putting a MT4 taper on an Acura-Flex collet holder and then turning a buttress thread insert for the draw bar. This will give me a full range of collets for the machine.

Thanks again for everyone's assistance and advice on the rebuild.

gm.

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Aciera F3 Slotting head.

April 7, 2013, 12:15 am

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I have been looking for one of these for quite sometime now, and well to be honest im giving up.
Time to take the hard road.. and make the bloody thing from scratch.

I wonder though, is there anyone that owns the Aciera F3 slotting head. Willing to put up a vid on its operation
and snap a ton of pics of it and maybe with a ruler in the pictures so dimensions can be reverse engineered?

It would be so awsome. I have myself been thinking of starting a documentation project for the machine and the
accessories i got for it. So it will be easier for the next one to make the special tooling for it.